"The Way of the Vaidila / Vaidilute"
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July 7
Tending the Eternal Garden
..the seventh day of the seventh month ot the seventh year ...marks the end of 777yrs
of Baudziava ( imperial vassilage ) , or does it? ...we are free in the eternal now!
Q.: So is vaidilute the feminine form of vaidila? The hardest part of Lithuanian ...
is learning how to figure out the declensions for everything...
th & g7:
...the language is important for nationalisms, but the spiritual wisdom is more important.. tending the eternal garden ......and we have names for everything in it but
do we really know what all these green aliens are ...i was amazed when i planted a bean in my atrium garden ..how it was able to navigate through a maze of foliage to find the curtain rope to start spiraling up onto ...that is realy psychic because they do not have eyes ...so how did she do that? These are the properties that the ancestors studied and tehy new the meaning of every herb and its powers. Not superstitious icon worship but true wisdom craft.
...we were taught the myth, by nuns that the Vaidila male, white bearded pagan patriarch, extinct for centuries, tended the eternal flame, surrounded by vestal virgin vaidilute, dressed in white robes, with garlands of rue in their hair ...classic imperial story book gaga of indigenous ways.
From experiential, contemplative and oral transmissions we have come to understand that the Vaidila / vaidilute ( male and female principles) of the ancestral wisdom is alive and well in the eternal now.
...the word Vaidila is genderless like the words "healer' that can be applied to both genders
...i have discovered that etymalogicaly the word and meaning is still used in ayurvedic medical practice today as "Vidya" and like many Sanscrit words found in the
Lithuanian, it indicates that the roots of the tradition are pre-vedic
...that means the ancient system is far form being extinct and is rather vibrantly alive
and well in the person of the Vaidilutes that are reading this now.
.. the word handsome can also be used to describe a woman but it is not likely that a male will be called a vaidilute
...but if we can use the word "nurse" to apply to a male then we should also be able to say that in terms of the so called feminine principle of say weaving that it was practiced by a male
...but it would seem very strange to the ear in, given our conditioning of male/ female roles.
It would render like the term "he was wearing a dress" but on the other hand it could also be put "he was wearing a kilt"
...again it is all a matter of symbolic interpertaions and we need to be free to make our own meanings in the eternal now
...art is religion and religion is art
..the wisdom source was the same for our ancestors as it is for us now and there is
no past or future, there is only one reality and that is the eternal now.
...you are tending the garden of the eternal now .
gk ...re nutrition see our : http://junkfoodanonymous.org
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Congratulations:
Welcome to the global Lithuanian Commons
(meaning land of life giving rain = echosphere) .
Brangios Vaidilutes th ir rd:
In my understanding a person who is reborn into wisdom, as those who have been in
12 step recovery, is eminently qualified to claim it and to pass it on and in fact is a "keeper of the eternal flame of ancestral wisdom", is always in the eternal now.
So welcome to the Lithuanian Commons as a Vaidilute...this is not a prize or a degree, or a reward just a reminder ...you know the meaning ..it is yours to use it well.
An afirmation in recognition of your new found but ancient wisdom.
I just updated and uploaded my reply to the recent questioning or interrogation "...who are you?" from the "Romuva" kids...God Bless Them All:
Serenity for All and Thank You for Sharing
Seniunas Vaidila Kestutis*
* RE. the symbolism of my pen names or actors aliases:
Seniunas (elder means older than newbie) Vaidila ( healer by passing on his or her "experience strength and hope") Kestutis ( my name sake, after the last so called "pagan" duke of Lithuania, who died in prison after
a peacemaking mission, then the lithuanian commons were anexed by imperial marriage to Romanized Poland) or AKA Swami Sri DadaNADA or AKA "gk" ( g = 7 k = 11 , Yin and Yang , "G" also = "Q" in arabic that represents The Mystery) AKA georgie ( my friends and sponsees in 12 step circles)
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July 6
Q: "Who Are You?"
Reply :
To: "Romuva"
To Whom it may concern:
Thank You for Your Interest.
...in answer to your question "Who Are You ?" :
We are peacemakers, in the tradition of our anonymous ancestral wisdom that has principles like those in the 12 steps
i.e.: we do not give advice, take moral inventories, or tell people what to do, rather we give suggestions only, or we act in an exemplary way showing the way, or even in a dramatized form to demonstrate a point.
We do not make "dictatorial pronouncements" but as we have written before, our
intent is to in form others that like in the 12 steps "we do not have any rulers or high priests" i.e.: when a head self proclaimed high priest in Chicago informed that "such and such are not vaidila but Hindu" in a "your eyes only" pronouncement and warned that access to the members post list would be terminated, that is the kind authoritarianism that we denounce .
We are recovering from generations of authoritarian abuse and we do not need any longer to answer to dictatorial interrogations like "...who are you?" in the context of "identify yourself or perish..." or even reciprocate and thus give substance to the rhetoric of search and destroy diplomacy.
WE ARE ANONYMOUS and represent our understanding of the ancestral wisdom as it manifests itself to us - using the pen names like :
Vaidintojas Seniunas Vaidila Kestutis or Dr. Swami Sri Nada or Ruta D. or t.h. or whatever etc.--
We understand as do people in 12 Step programs - that everyone must interpret their own understanding of a higher power or an ancestral wisdom and that there is not dogma or icons or any other "fixed idea" that we accept as authoritative ...if you will
we are free thinkers that have our own opinions and do not compel any one to accept them as theirs.
In this respect, we feel inspired, to pass on to anyone who has an interest, in
our understanding and interpertation of the true roots in the Lithuanian Vaidila[ute] tradition - by acting as keepers of eternal flame of the ancestral wisdom, that has been received by us through revelation in that oral tradition, that is an unbroken line, from mouth to ear, to pre-vedic times and is also in the super consciousness of the eternal now available to anyone who seeks it.
Thus the authoritative "WHO ARE YOU?" is not an appropriate question, nor is it a relevent one and so we do not ask it, as it may presume a form of moral inventory taking, that as recovering co-dependents we do not engage in ...we welcome all individual interpretation(s) and respect that as the particular truth for that person.
We do not tell anyone what to think or how to think it.
We are not a cult or a secret society.
We represented in person, the Lithuanian wisdom tradition anonymously, uninvited, unregistered but welcomed at the World Parliament of Religions in 1993 and animated via an e-mail and phone campaign the public interest in the question of the existence of "Romuva" in Lithuania after perestroika.
We know who we are and we do not require the blessing of any organization and/or government.
We are not Roman imperial academics, or anthropological hobbyists, or trendy neo-pagans, or tourist new-agers , or museum builders, or metaphysical kitsch mongers.
We do not wish to be interrogated, labeled, or rubber stamped. Those that are true to their connection to Their Higher Power will see that "we walk the talk", by our actions, not just our "pretty words".
We are also mirror. Take a good look.
We proclaim, as we understand that our ancestors did and like 12 Step programs do, unconditional love and peace to all. ...if those who are seekers ask for "serenity" then we will be approached as peers, in a pleasant and hospitable manner by anyone who has a sincere desire to study with us and learn, from the eternal now, of our ancestral wisdom .
"gk" is a trusted servant and will remain anonymous, acting as a messenger and the author of this reply on behalf of those others, who have expressed an interest in the continuation of this study.
Thank You All for Your Support
"gk"/ AKA "Seniunas Vaidila Kestutis"
author / mentor / founding member
"The Way of the Vaidila[ute]" studies program
PeaceMaker Virtual Free University
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July4
Tolerence: This letter is drawn out and unedited and i think it should best be used as a disclaimer but go
ahead an plough through if you like...
An Open Letter Brangus Seniunai et al :
Please Keep an Open Mind:
Thank You for your e-mail and reply and we want to convey our sincere respect for
the positive work your community and organization have done in attempting to
preserve the Lithuanian culture ... regrettably we fear that there may be some
intolerence and ethnocentric egoism that has no place here.
There are some things that we all can actually learn from our ancestral wisdom as well, in terms spirituality. It's principles of anonymity and the longevity of it's pacifist non-linear non hierharical organization. would be a few for example that we have attempted to re-introduce to your "Romuva" group.
As an independent group, it is appropriate that you practice what you like, but even if you had governmental approval, you do not have the authority to take it upon yourself to pontificate to others, or claim a monoply on our "ancestral heritage" and to proclaim that your groups elected elders or "Vaidila" are the only ones
in authority. Our ancestors did not and will not recognize any authoritarianism and they
practiced religious tolerence .
"In the name of our ancestors we welcome you to to the Lithuanian Commons and feel free to practice whatever you like and under any name that you wish." That has been
the eternal blessing of tolerance that you receive from out ancestors.You can even
claim that you are the sole representatives of the ancestral wisdom, you are welcome to do that as well - just as St.Paul's followers did with the legacy of Christ, to establish an monopolistic organized imperial religion, that our ancestors tolerate to this day. The ancestors will not stand in your path. "Do what thow wilt will be the law of the land" is the "modern" in thing, so go for it.
However if you want to have access to the true ancestral wisdom, you will have to
"get off the canter of the universe in order to listen to the harmony of the spheres".
Again the First point is that we practice tolerence and your letter to us is hardly that at all ...to paraphrase what we think you wrote to our messenger is that " ...you want this upstart to shut up or he will be pulled form the list ..." (which he was) in other words "...if you don't like our version of Lithuanian Kitsch, as we dish it out to you, then you can go back to Hindu Land or wherever you came from ...or back to you're 12 Step programs because you are ... "going off the edge"..." and the sort.
...it will not surprise me at all, if this letter will not be posted. ( This Letter was not Posted on the "Romuva" site)
Secondly what we call "proteviu ishmintis" (the wisdom of the ancestros) is not a religion and by whatever name you invoke its practitoners or elders i.e. :"vaidila","vidya"... it is the smell of the rose that counts not the name.
Our point here is not to get you upset or to indict you, but to establish that your authoritarian approach is not at all tolerant and that you probably need to do something about it. Just a suggestion.
So if you are rigorously honest with yourselves, so that
you can see that this is not what is appropriate behavior for Vaidila[ute] elders who purportedly represents the ancestral wisdom, then we will be able to recognize you as
elders ...if not then you will be like so many other adult children playing God in so
many cults out there. We have tolerated these in the past and do so even now. You
now collect the cultural artifacts of many of these and claim they belong to our ancestors...You are mistaken here...we do not have icons and dogma in the ancestral path...we just tolerated others that did ...unlike your elite organization seeking the
sanction of the governments ...we do not need the goevernment or you to bless us
...we were here with the forests eternally before you and we
will be here after all this academic screed is mildew. Yet you are welcome to came and see and learn from us if you wish.
An old Lithuanian proverb "do not shoot the messenger" ...ever... she might have just waht you need to save your life. The Vaidilute as a messenger for the ancestral wisdom... by the way, point is that is what we call it, "proteviu ishmintis" ...and by whatever name is not important "vaidila","vidya" the smell of the rose is what counts.
The moral of the story not the kernel. Our apologies for appearing a bit gruff at first. But our main essential knub is that our ancestors did not accept heirarcical authority
but rather we respect true humility and that is only possible with rigorus honesty and anonymity.
You will have to understand that the very rough drafts that we present, may appear just that "rough" ...it is very difficult to pronounce in a few words what it would take an entire seminar to communicate. These are delicate matters and we would appreciate it if some informal latitude and license should be given in their interpretation, as they perhaps at first glance may appear obtuse, especially in the context of an already established and as you would say "authoritative and well organized system" ...there for please view our suggestions as meditations and possible guidelines for the future.
To those who presume to have a monopoly on our ancestral wisdom and make threats
to have our free speech terminated on this site:
I think that you are misinterpreting our intent, we are merely passing on what we have
learned form others, by expressing ourself and our free thought . We have no desire to be aggressive and we think your hostile denunciation of our thesis indicates that there may be some truth in what we are saying. Instead of reacting, you may wish to take some time and perhaps you will see that it is so.You are free to interpret your understanding of what a Vaidila is or is not as we are, but do not pretend to know who is one and who is not one. In doing that it is the art of Blasphemy practice by the imperial Romans that Lithuanians our people are so familiar with.
The most high authority in the ancestral "vaidila system" - this meaning the ethical guidelines of the "ancestral wisdom"- was the living eternal flame of wisdom of divine revelation attainable through self realization and and not some self proclaimed human
or democratically elected icon.
We were using the 12 steps as an exemplary spiritual organization that works very well without "authority figures". We are aware that that term "system" is a modernism and
is perhaps not the best word to use in this context.
If "self realization" sounds like a Hindu platitude, it is because the concept are
identical, "...by whatever name" and we believe, as our ancetors did, that we are all apart of the that universal truth and not an island of information with political, or
linguistic, or national boundries. The ancestral wisdom, has taken the gold from all points of the globe, including from the east...do you find that threatening?
If you ban our messages from your site like those that burned our books in the past
it is an indication that you are running a cult, no different from the authoritarian Jesus worship cults that fear open dialogue.
Our ancestors have tolerated all cults and we will tolerate you, but you are not at all representatives of our ancestral wisdom if you behave in this manner and although imitation is the greatest form of flatery...it would be appropriate if you even knew what you were attempting to imitate.
Your new religion and that is what it appears to be ...that you may call whatever you like, is not the ancestral wisdom if it is a pyramid with a Pope on top.
Our ancestors did not have kings and high priests lording over them and the elders
were like the trusted servant in the 12 step recovery circle...indeed our suggestion was
for you to take a look at what works and learn from it ...because our past authoritarian "nationalism" has demonstrated amply what has not worked.
That fact that the names have Hindu etymology doesn not imply that we are Hindus.
On the other hand are you implying that a Hindu cannot be a Vaidila or that a Vaidilute cannot be a Hindu? Is "Romuva" a racist elitist and exclusive club or cult and oursiders are not welcome? Is that what you are saying is our ancestral wisdom?
I think not. I hope not.
On the other hand, you are entirely correct in terms of the "ancestral wisdom" of
the priority value placed on true "serenity",--- you can it "Romuva" it if like ---
of which tolerance is key. Then if this is so, you should, instead of putting it down,
find the 12 step programs an excellent source, as the word "serenity" is a keyword in recovery... and losing your serenity would be like losing your "Romuva".
If we speak of "serenity" which is Unconditional Love and Peace to All - for real!!!
So way then not practice your faith and be a peer with the rest of us, instead
pretending, like some insecure child, to play God roles and trying to eat the sky.
These roles are ok, as pop icons in a tourist play, if that is waht you are all about
...but if you are carrying a spiritual message and the wisdom of the ancestors then lets get real.
Unconditional Love and Peace to all...these are not indictments, but merely suggestions to all our brothers and sisters.
Stay Free
Your trusted servant
AKA "Seniunas Vaidila Kestutis" *
* please note this nickname "title", is for acting the role of the vaidila, as in a play, in order to deliver the message...in practice we do not publicly proclaim ourselves as "Vaidila[ute] or as professional authorities the ancetral wisdom is not a profession,
nor can we claim any monopoly on wisdom. Others can claim that about us, but we
must not endorse any "labels". As such, as in the exemplary 12 Step recovery circles, we value the spiritual principle of anonymity and there are no experts and no graduates in this program of recovery.
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July 2
I was wondering if someone could answer this without any discrimintation? Okay, so I've been going about the change of my religion from Christianity to Paganism for
about 4 years now. I don't want to tell my parents about my change to the wicca/pagan religion. But, I do want them to find out and confront me about it. Does this make any sense? Please don't talk about how I should or should not continue in Paganism.
This is my choice; I only want to get opinions about the question.
You are: Georgie
Your Answer:
... in reality on the highest levels of the truth Christianity and true so called "paganism" are not incompatible ...in your case the slogan "telling the truth is the best policy"
would apply in both cases. In Lithuania for centuries the imperial roman church has
had to live with the fact that at to indigenous people will not reject the wisdom of their ancestors. There is however a "hollywood paganism" that is a "nihilistic hedonism" or rather a "rapacius consumerism" that is not either "chirstian" or ethical "paganism".
Source(s) http://meditationwalk.com
Question Modern Paganism...?
I've read that modern paganism started in Europe within the last century. What connection with ancient paganism does this modern paganism have, if any? Is the ancient paganism still practiced today?
You are: Georgie
Your Answer:
...yes and no ...first it needs to be made clear that the term "pagan" was derogatory term used by imperial religionists to a label "the enemy" in their war mongering ...so
that anything "pagan" was of the "dark side", in fact there never was such thing as a "pagan" church by that name ...so that all the new constructs, are just that "new" ...the indegenous belief systems, for the most part were all basically the oral symbolic transmission of the wisdom of the ancestors ...and some of these systems are still very much alive and have an unbroken chain of revelation going back 40000 yrs to
pre vedic times ...the Auyrvedic and Yogic systems for example. and are in no way organized religions like the "New Age/Neo Pagan" churches or covens are becoming.
In fact many of these newbies started out on in the correct path in the sixties awarness movements, as anarcho syndicalist communes in the pacifist resistance, but rapidly became coopted by drug and other vested interests.
A good rule of thumb in terms of spirituality is " if you have to pay ...your in the
wrong place". That is not as being self supporting like 12 step programs
Source(s) http://meditationwalk.com
...and organizing it is not what it is. It stands by itself as it has for 40000 yrs. do not confuse it with the "modern times"
...in order to understand the oral traditon one needs to a nonlinear mode ...this is what confuses people ...the words "neo-pagan" for example...what does it mean...in
modern times?
I cannot answer all of your questions here ...you are welcome to participate in the VFU_MFT as a student/mentor and you are welcome to practice whatever faith you wish, but if you want to know about our ancestors, the academics and the
actor vaidilas and the tabloids will not help you
...you will have to get off the centre of the universe and go to a high place and listen to your heart ...then you will hear them speaking to you ...from the little bits of wisdom from your aunt and from your grandfather ...from chance meetings with lithanians you do not know ..all the little tidbits and random smaplings of ancient tought that is still being passed on from mouth to ear ...this is the way of the Vaidila ...not a museum
or a government approved rubber stamped accademic screed.
July 1
Let It Be Known ...our roots go back 40000 yrs in direct lineage of oral transmission
Let it be known: ...elder means older than newbie Just because Ozzy is elected as the head of the Mischief School of the Occult does not make
him a holy ..in the ancestral wisdom teaching -there are no authorities -
and no monopolies on the most high truth. The eternal living flame of wisdom is the highest authority.
You ask "kas tu per vianas ir ish kur ?" like whom are you to speak - or even how dare you question the "organized authorities", the "elected heads" , the "academics" and the so called "knower"? :
Vaidila ...the name "vaidya" is used to this day for practitioners of ayurvedic healing ...our roots go back 40000 yrs in direct lineage of oral transmission by revelation from . We are the anonymous carriers of ancient wisdom the ancestors.
Vaidila "gk" or more , was the anonymously unregistered rep. for the Lithuanian ancestral wisdom at the world parliament of religions 1993 and this event happens every 100yrs. the next one will be in 2093 ...this was the first time that a Lithuanian was at the dinner table of the worlds religions ...although not invited but nevertheless welcomed. "gk" animated, by phone and email the revival of the "romuva" question, after perestroika. Prior to that, it was not permitted to indulge in "peoples opiates", except vodka, heroin etc. it was not the intent to start a new religion or museum but to clarify the existence of the old path and to remove the cobwebs with familiar, if not exact terms.
"gk" understudied with the spiritual mentors of the vedic and other oral traditions and completed a 22yr contract apprenticeship of the renunciate - sanyasin...and is the founder of 12 step recovery programs for media, anti-nutrients and war addictions
...also founded PeaceMaker Virtual Free University see:
http://meditationwalk.com and http://georgekasey.com
There are no leaders in 12 step spiritual programs that are exemplary of "benevolent anarchy" ...i have been suggesting that the newbie "neo- pagan" "Romuva" learn from these, in terms of what it means to have No Authorities. The roman university hierarchy has nothing to do with the wisdom of the ancients and just for the most part muddies the waters. Listing collections of numerous, so called "pagan" gods/goddess and holidays and stories myths and songs, although this is wonderful, does not make them the dogma of our ancestral wisdom, which is fixed always in the eternal now and thus is in constant flux yet never changing. Most of these are from the galaxy of practices that were tolerated by our ancestors and are in fact from foreign sources ...i.e.: even the cult of Jesus worship was tolerated but, that does not make the Bible sacred in our way, simply because it was tolerated any more than Ahtena worship or any other. There is truth in all the spritual traditionas and we seek the gold and discard the rest
...revelation -like Simon Weil writes -is an individual happening.
...our ancestors were not "Pagans" this is a derogatory term used by imperial religionists and we need to guard from governmental, commercial and organized religions inroads and exploitation.
"Kureju Kurejas" is also a royal title and we do not recognize...just because some Swedish author claims that he was the Vaidilu Vaidila, the Big Kahuna does not make it so. In fact the ancestral wisdom is never written in books …cutting down living trees to make mud, is not the wisdom of our ancestors at al.
Further readings in terms of "Christian Anarchy" i.e.: Eller and Jacques Ellul, will assist also in understanding spiritual systems with out leaders and dogmas as will a study of the 12 Step Circles . Also our roots are in the east - the Nadaism of iconoclastic pacifist Buddhism and pre vedic philosophy.
I have no quarrel with Trinkunas et al, I'm sure they mean well but like G.K. Chesterton points --- out in his masterpiece about the "seven days" of Anarchism --that could also be applied to the "proteviu ishmintis", the wisdom of the ancestors ...if one were to replace the term "Anarchist" with the word "Pagan" --- to paraphrase his words " ...what we know of anarchy comes from tabloids and no one ever asked an anarchist about anarchy..."
"..what you know about the vaidilute or the wisdom of the ancestors comes for tabloids and no one has ever asked a vaidila or an ancestor "
Yet in another very real sense, it reminds me of the story of Gottama asking if any of these scribes have ever seen God.
Indeed in the still untranslated book of Jonas Basanavicius "From Christianities Relations with the Ancient Lithuanian Faith and Culture". In it he reports that they could find nothing out about it at all -nada and yet he appropriately addresses his query about a possible "faith" and is not presumptuous enough to label it a "religion" or even a "pagan religion" (derogatory ). The ancestral wisdom, like true iconoclastic Buddhism, is not, never was and never will be an organized religion with a pantheon of Gods/Goddesses demons and angles.
"Romuva" may be a new organized "Neo-Pagan " or "New Age" religion, but it will never represent the true wisdom of the ancestors, if it has an authoritarian vertical structure and builds museums of dogma that were never part of the ancestral way. We never had icons of worship...if anything imported or self originated symbols were used as the Buddhist "yidim" to represent higher truths.
I write to elder Vidintojas Seniunas Vaidila JT et al, i say actor because it is appropriate to act like a vaidila, in the public eye but never to claim authority as one, just as a recovering addict in 12 Step program guards her anonymity
: "… we always need to remember to get off the centre of the universe, in order to hear the music of the spheres…" that is why there are no authorities ….unconditional love and peace to all …
June 29
Ancient Wisdom of the
Ancestors -Symbolism
:
I need to remember
K.I.S.S.: (keep it simple stupid) :
...anyway i wanted to share about the meaning
of the serpent for our ancestors was and in terms of 12 step recovery
and the early Christian idea are all compatible ..."THEY" the later
"Church Fathers (farts)" in their warmongering against pagans and
everyone else, changed the meaning of the symbolism of the serpent to
represent all evil...:
Serpent = Renewal, Rebirth, Regeneration
Serpents are connected with renewal or
regeneration. This trait is connected with the practice of snakes of shedding
their old skin and growing a new one
and the blog & image slideshow is
probably easier to look at on:
http://mediafreetimes.spaces.live.com
At the beginning of Perestroika, when i
contacted the University of Vilnius about the ancient religion, i was told that
there was no such study and everyone i talked to, like all the hotel people and
telephone operators, about "Romuva", did not know anything about it
...today it is a big tourist attraction business and the "Neo-Pagan"
thing attracts allot of tourists. Regrettably,
and i have written about this elsewhere, is
that it is the kind of metaphysical kitsch that actually corrupts the ancient
ancestral wisdom further; for the sake of selling trinkets they strangle
the source. It reminds me of the ersatz
religiosity of north American "Indian" movements and pseudo "new
age" trendy stuff. "Cigar Store Indian"
"Romuva" is not the correct name
for the religion in fact there was not "religion" in the first place
...it probably is derived from the word "Roman" ...as in a
Romanesque version of the gathering place ...these neo pagans ...yah right ...
there was never any "organized religion" it was the ancestral wisdom.
...i'm watching now as the government sanctions it all- tourists bring money
and money is good ...the "Kureju Kurejas" is supposed to
be the head in the hierarchy ...the roman thing again, with the government
controlled hierarchies ...i wonder when they will start throwing in the "human
sacrifice" thing that "THEY" usually claim is the
"Pagan" way. This would be"bread and circus" and
"good for business". Take the Gold and leave the rest:
http://www.mythinglinks.org/euro~east~baltics~Lithuania.html
Here is the Sacred
Serpent Site:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/2810/romuvawhatis.html
This Site has images of
the Neo-Pagan revival gatherings in Lithuania Now:
http://muziejus.moletai.lt/romuva/daznai_uzduodami_klausimai.htm
http://muziejus.moletai.lt/jore/jore2003.htm
If the "lithuanian
ancestral teachings" are classified as a "pagan religion"
it would probably be one of the oldest living religions in the world
My complaint is that there
were no Lords in high places in the ancesstral way ...the fire of truth
was the most high and now they cause the people to bow before the
"High Priest" ...how very Roman indeed ...this is not the old path at
all, it is show business :
The old way was anonymous and the Vaidila
(Vaidilute - female) system that i can trace etymologically back to the
aurvedic 4000yrs back...now they have these bozo clowns claiming to be the
head Vaidila etc. i have complained about this corruption ...but business
as usual :
http://web.295.ca/gk/vaidila.html
...anyway i wanted to share about the meaning
of the serpent to our ancestors ...:
Renewal, Rebirth, Regeneration
Serpents are connected with renewal or
regeneration. This trait is connected with the practice of snakes of shedding
their old skin and growing a new one . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_(symbolism)
Anthropologists
and religionists claim it was idolatry ...but in fact the elders respected the
symbol in a philosophical sense just like the Buddhist Yidim are only
representative of spiritual concepts and Buddhism is iconoclastic.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/etc/wos/wos11.htm
Our ancestors used to keep serpents like pets
in the house ...they are friendly and they, like cats and owls, catch insects, mice
and rats and other unwanted guests at the dinner table.
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Sacred Serpent
is named after the zaltys or zalgtis: a revered grass snake, indigenous to
the Baltic lands of Sacred
Serpent is named after the zaltys or zalgtis: a revered grass snake,
indigenous to the Baltic lands of Sacred
Serpent serves to explore the culture of the Baltic region and its old
beliefs and also as a voice for ROMUVA, the Indigenous Lithuanian
Religion. No part of this site may
be reproduced without permission of the authors. The views expressed are
those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect those of all Romuvas.
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...these Romuvatniks
are at least wise enough ...knowing that they can displease the ancestors and
invoke their wrath I have attached
images of Athena Mother Goddess with Serpent (healing )behind her
shield and The Virgin Mary with Serpent ( sin and damnation)
...symbolism is what we make it ...Art is Religion and Religion is Art
...long live NADA !!! Stay Free P.S.: i was inspired
to write ..this morning i heard the owl hooting as he does every day ...but
this time it told me to let you know ...Owleyes : |
...to
admit that they do not have all the answers...it is an anonymous thing not a
secret society ...i short there is no dogma . The system is an oral tradition
that goes back 40000yrs anyone that writes it is cutting green trees to make
mud.
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Within the cultic domain
of Athena the serpent is the complement of the maternal aspect of
the Goddess and simply refers to the fertilizing masculine sphere ...
Here is a link with
Serpent, Owl and Athena imprinted on Greek coins:
"Obverse: Helmeted head of Athena
right
Reverse: Serpent rising right, owl counterstamp to left
Size: 14.46 mm"
http://www.ancientimports.com/cgi-bin/lotinfo.pl?id=12986
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UL&P
Dr. Swami Sri Nada 
Walk In the ancient Peacemaker traditions of the Meditation Walk -Walk for
Peace Everyday.
Meditation Walk:
© 1972-2007 Media Free
Times - Peacemaker Virtual Free University - All World Rights Reserved
http://meditationwalk.com
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